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Query about gearing...
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(18-09-2020, 10:23 AM)Parazine Wrote:
Howard Wright Wrote: It always confuses me when I’m told friction is a function of perpendicular force not area of friction material.  Theoretically 1” brake shoes should perform the same as 1 1/4” shoes. But that doesn’t seem to be the case in practice.

It always confuses my students as it did me as a student in the 'seventies.The formula for simple friction force, f = mu x N, where mu is the coefficient of friction and N is the normal (i.e. right angle) force. You can get into more complicated formulae but.....

A 1" wide shoe will produce the same friction force as a 1 1/4" BUT the force has to be the same, that's the catch! (And mu has to be the same, which is a different argument)

The real benefit is that a 1 1/4" shoe dissipates heat better so less prone to fade although, subjectively, they do seem to work better and defy the mechanics lesson.....
My late uncle, chief engineer at a large engineering company. always claimed that friction couldn't be independent
 of the area of contact, citing the difficulty in separating interleaved telephone books.

But if I remember this is in fact due to the normal force being multiplied Huh
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Query about gearing... - by Duncan Grimmond - 05-09-2020, 09:30 AM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Nick Turley - 05-09-2020, 09:57 AM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Duncan Grimmond - 05-09-2020, 10:06 AM
RE: Query about gearing... - by dickie65 - 05-09-2020, 10:14 AM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Malcolm Parker - 05-09-2020, 10:40 AM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Chris KC - 05-09-2020, 10:42 AM
RE: Query about gearing... - by JonE - 05-09-2020, 11:30 AM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Steve kay - 05-09-2020, 09:24 PM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Bob Culver - 05-09-2020, 11:33 PM
RE: Query about gearing... - by andrew34ruby - 05-09-2020, 11:36 PM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Tony Betts - 06-09-2020, 02:16 AM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Chris Garner - 06-09-2020, 07:55 AM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Dave Mann - 06-09-2020, 08:50 AM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Mike Costigan - 06-09-2020, 09:03 AM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Alan - 06-09-2020, 10:38 AM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Stuart Giles - 06-09-2020, 10:41 AM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Duncan Grimmond - 06-09-2020, 10:59 AM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Steve Jones - 06-09-2020, 11:33 AM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Duncan Grimmond - 06-09-2020, 01:51 PM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Howard Wright - 06-09-2020, 02:04 PM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Stuart Giles - 06-09-2020, 02:21 PM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Charles P - 06-09-2020, 05:57 PM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Steve Jones - 06-09-2020, 06:51 PM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Charles P - 06-09-2020, 07:25 PM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Duncan Grimmond - 06-09-2020, 07:50 PM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Duncan Grimmond - 07-09-2020, 08:40 AM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Bob Culver - 07-09-2020, 09:02 AM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Duncan Grimmond - 07-09-2020, 12:52 PM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Reckless Rat - 07-09-2020, 01:16 PM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Stuart Giles - 07-09-2020, 01:18 PM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Renaud - 07-09-2020, 01:22 PM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Alan - 07-09-2020, 01:41 PM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Duncan Grimmond - 07-09-2020, 02:06 PM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Reckless Rat - 07-09-2020, 02:44 PM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Duncan Grimmond - 07-09-2020, 04:08 PM
RE: Query about gearing... - by andrew34ruby - 07-09-2020, 04:19 PM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Reckless Rat - 07-09-2020, 04:23 PM
RE: Query about gearing... - by andrew34ruby - 07-09-2020, 04:41 PM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Duncan Grimmond - 07-09-2020, 05:28 PM
RE: Query about gearing... - by andrew34ruby - 07-09-2020, 05:54 PM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Duncan Grimmond - 07-09-2020, 05:56 PM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Malcolm Parker - 07-09-2020, 09:46 PM
RE: Query about gearing... - by andrew34ruby - 08-09-2020, 08:40 AM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Malcolm Parker - 08-09-2020, 10:52 AM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Bob Culver - 08-09-2020, 11:27 AM
RE: Query about gearing... - by andrew34ruby - 09-09-2020, 01:55 PM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Malcolm Parker - 09-09-2020, 02:27 PM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Bob Culver - 09-09-2020, 09:15 PM
RE: Query about gearing... - by andrew34ruby - 09-09-2020, 09:31 PM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Ian Williams - 10-09-2020, 08:59 PM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Spex - 10-09-2020, 09:08 PM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Chris KC - 10-09-2020, 10:36 PM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Malcolm Parker - 11-09-2020, 08:26 AM
RE: Query about gearing... - by andrew34ruby - 11-09-2020, 09:27 AM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Bob Culver - 11-09-2020, 09:35 AM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Colin Reed - 11-09-2020, 10:20 AM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Renaud - 11-09-2020, 11:00 AM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Chris KC - 11-09-2020, 12:07 PM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Howard Wright - 11-09-2020, 01:00 PM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Howard Wright - 11-09-2020, 07:48 PM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Ian Williams - 11-09-2020, 10:08 PM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Alan - 11-09-2020, 10:17 PM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Colin Reed - 12-09-2020, 10:05 AM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Bob Culver - 12-09-2020, 11:23 AM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Tod - 12-09-2020, 02:26 PM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Bob Culver - 13-09-2020, 02:53 AM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Alan - 13-09-2020, 10:13 AM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Mike Costigan - 13-09-2020, 10:52 AM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Ivangardiner - 13-09-2020, 11:31 AM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Duncan Grimmond - 13-09-2020, 12:21 PM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Steve Jones - 13-09-2020, 01:43 PM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Nick Lettington - 14-09-2020, 08:43 AM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Howard Wright - 14-09-2020, 02:11 PM
RE: Query about gearing... - by andrew34ruby - 17-09-2020, 06:32 PM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Ian Williams - 18-09-2020, 03:56 AM
RE: Query about gearing... - by andrew34ruby - 18-09-2020, 09:34 AM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Howard Wright - 18-09-2020, 10:08 AM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Nick Turley - 18-09-2020, 10:10 AM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Parazine - 18-09-2020, 10:23 AM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Renaud - 18-09-2020, 10:55 AM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Bob Culver - 18-09-2020, 11:08 AM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Malcolm Parker - 18-09-2020, 11:22 AM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Tony Press - 18-09-2020, 11:18 PM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Duncan Grimmond - 19-09-2020, 10:21 AM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Malcolm Parker - 19-09-2020, 12:18 PM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Dave Wortley - 19-09-2020, 12:56 PM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Steve Jones - 19-09-2020, 02:50 PM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Duncan Grimmond - 20-09-2020, 03:40 PM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Duncan Grimmond - 22-09-2020, 08:07 AM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Malcolm Parker - 22-09-2020, 08:43 AM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Renaud - 22-09-2020, 08:44 AM
RE: Query about gearing... - by JonE - 22-09-2020, 08:47 AM
RE: Query about gearing... - by andrew34ruby - 22-09-2020, 09:43 AM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Steve Jones - 22-09-2020, 11:13 AM
RE: Query about gearing... - by Nick Turley - 22-09-2020, 12:31 PM

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