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RE: pasting lace - JonE - 04-06-2020
The braid grey mag article is still to come!!
That looks more like Rep than moquette manufacture but its pleasingly simple in its colour - easy to make!
By the way, off thread, but there are now about 5 or 6 people who are considering 'Tapestry' or its other colourway, so (another) remanufacture becomes a reality possibly soon. Contact me and I'll pass details on to Paul Govier and others...
Hugh - I know its not an 'early' saloon but perhaps we ought to put your image in the future Braid article as to what evolved...
RE: pasting lace - Mike Costigan - 04-06-2020
Is it also worth contacting one , or some, of the specialist Vintage coach trimmers to see what they use; maybe it's worth investigating in the States, too. I'm sure some of the high-end restoration companies will have already been down this route.
RE: pasting lace - Malcolm Parker - 04-06-2020
Your photo looks exactly like the uncut moquette that I had woven 20 years ago for my SWB saloon. Now for the interesting bit.
My moquette has a diamond pattern but it was woven on the small loom used by the design department. The pattern only extends across about 80% of the width of the material which means that there is a section around 12" wide which is plain. It is a blue grey with hint of red that is not far off your colour.
I would be happy to let you have a roll of the plain material which you could use. I think it may be suitable without having to dye it.
RE: pasting lace - Ray White - 04-06-2020
Good morning Hugh. I see JonE has already posted a link to trimmings by design here in Derby. I can highly recommend them for braid/pasting lace. I placed an order on behalf of Austin Swallow owners which turned out fine.
The interesting thing is that they still have the original Jacquard loom that the original braid was made on back in the 1920s. They have a fantastic archive of all the different styles and colour combinations and can reproduce anything you want. The price is high for the Swallow braid - but then it is quite detailed - but I would give them a call and get a quote.
Ray.
RE: pasting lace - Hugh Barnes - 04-06-2020
Ray - thank you. I have already dropped them a note with a couple of photos and dimensions. Let's see what they say.
Jon - I'll send you a sample to the Orchard House address..
Malcolm - that is a very kind offer. I would need about 16 or 17ft ideally, as it goes up in one continuous piece, would that be possible? It would certainly be worth having a go at. I'll send you a PM and we can continue the conversation off-line..
thanks all....
And just like that...
I've had a reply from Trimmings by Design. It's more expensive than i (naively?) imagined and even if I were to gather an order together for 50m, at £22 per metre, it would still be £100 a car..
Their quote...
10 mt price per metre £42
15 mt, £36
25 mt, £27
50 mt, £22
I'm not sure that it is worth pursuing at that price... :o(
RE: pasting lace - squeak - 04-06-2020
In the distant past I imported a convertible top from Bill Hirsch in America to fit for a customer. The kit contained some finishing lacing to tack across the main rear bow. The product was tacked on and THEN folded over to conceal the tacks. Within the lacing was a fine wire mesh? which maintained the fold when pressed down. I think it was called wire edge but it was a long time ago and I believe Bill Hirsch is no longer in business. Katherine Bailey on this forum may know where US folks get this product now.
If you think it worthwhile you could cut a strip of Malcolm's fabric say 40mm and cut a strip of copper flymesh or similar say 25mm. Cover the reverse of the fabric with contact glue and lay the mesh along one edge, fold over the surplus fabric and you now have a lacing ready to tack on and fold over to cover the tacks. Here we have mosquito mesh about the right open weave and weight, what have you? Must be metal, pre-creased would be an advantage.
Of course I haven't tried this but have put to good effect many other wild ideas. cheers Russell
RE: pasting lace - Mike Costigan - 04-06-2020
I seem to recall a similar method (different materials, obviously) was used to create the external roof gutters on a RF fabric saloon.
RE: pasting lace - Hugh Barnes - 04-06-2020
Yes Russell - that is exactly the way this is fitted, except there is no 'strengthening' material embedded. I suspect it may have been pressed to form the fold, but nothing more. If Katherine sees this, I'd be interested in any comments she may have. As some folks know, sourcing products from the US is quite straightforward for me as a result of my somewhat 'unusual' domestic arrangements...
RE: pasting lace - Ray White - 04-06-2020
This may be a naive thought but it occurred to me that the folded over material might have originally been pasted down; hence "pasting lace"?
RE: pasting lace - Austin Carr - 04-06-2020
I found this in Car and Classic but I haven't found contact details for Julian Taylor. If you can find him, he maybe able to help you with a supplier.
Julian Taylor, also an Alvis man. As much of the original leather as possible has been retained but with Taylor’s superb work it is very hard to see where the new leather has been stitched in. The carpets match the original and the 55 metres of pasting lace that trims almost everything was also fitted perfectly.
https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1176960