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RE: Very excited - registration - Jeff Taylor - 22-03-2020
Hi John-Peter,
Your cars 7th change of ownership to a Philip Henry James Whyman on 10th November 1966 or was it 68? caught my eye as Stocksfield, Northumberland is less than 10 mile from me and I've actually driven along Apperley Road on a number of occasions over the years. A quick check online shows that the 1926 built house named 'Waverley' on Apperley Road, Stocksfield was last up for sale in 2015 for £995,000. Link below to the Evening Chronicle's Homemaker article - click on VIEW GALLERY to see photos of the property.
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/property-news/stocksfield-family-home-perfect-blend-9768232
Interesting that the cars previous owner to Mr Whyman, a Richard Trafford Shipman was based in London whereas Stocksfield is just west of Newcastle upon Tyne some 300 mile north of London.
Jeff.
RE: Very excited - registration - Jeff Taylor - 22-03-2020
Interestingly a Philip Henry James Whyman was a former company secretary of the Aston Martin Owners Club Limited - he resigned in 2001 and was also a former company secretary of the Federation of British Historic Vehicle Clubs Limited - could he be your cars former owner ? It would appear he's now based near Taunton in Somerset.
https://www.companydirectorcheck.com/philip-henry-james-whyman-2
RE: Very excited - registration - Mike Costigan - 22-03-2020
(22-03-2020, 07:07 PM)Jeff Taylor Wrote: Interesting that the cars previous owner to Mr Whyman, a Richard Trafford Shipman was based in London whereas Stocksfield is just west of Newcastle upon Tyne some 300 mile north of London.It's not beyond the bounds of possibility that either Whyman was a student in London, or Shipman a student in Newcastle.
Jeff.
RE: Very excited - registration - Jeff Taylor - 22-03-2020
I'd agree Mike, that's a distinct possibility.
Hi John-Peter,
A bit more googling - Mrs Minna Elsey, Green Shutters, Bakers Wood, Denham January 1957. Minna is an unusual christian name of which I've found the following possibility: a Minna Votoria Elsey (nee Ackermann) was a pupil of the very upmarket Bedales School in Petersfield (an independent liberal boarding school) from 1926 to 1931, she died in 2012. Bakers Wood in Denham appears from Google StreetView to be a private gated housing estate to which StreetView doesn't have access.
John-Peter,
John Bacton Penrose, September 1957. Despite its current appearance, I believe this on the left is The Red House, Gold Hill Common, Chalfont St. Peter.
This postcard (Postmark 1960) shows the group of houses from the opposite direction.
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RE: Very excited - registration - Jeff Taylor - 23-03-2020
John-Peter,
Chalfont St. Peter have a Community Forum that includes a 'Memory Lane' page where you could post a question asking whether anyone remembers John Penrose of The Red House and if anyone happens to have any photos of him and his Austin 7. The 'Memory Lane' page also includes lots of old photos on various threads. Apparently Fairthorpe cars were built in Chalfont St. Peter between 1954 and 1961.
https://www.chalfontstpeter.com/forum/memory-lane_forum8.html
A 1940 List of Residents shows an H. B. Penrose living at The Red House, Gold Hill - presumably father of John?
RE: Very excited - registration - jpsmit - 23-03-2020
(22-03-2020, 08:37 PM)Mike Costigan Wrote:Richard Shipman is who sold me the car - he turned 80 last July and is a retired physician. He tells me he found the car lying upsidedown in a field - therefore the windshield is shorter than normal (it came form another car)(22-03-2020, 07:07 PM)Jeff Taylor Wrote: Interesting that the cars previous owner to Mr Whyman, a Richard Trafford Shipman was based in London whereas Stocksfield is just west of Newcastle upon Tyne some 300 mile north of London.It's not beyond the bounds of possibility that either Whyman was a student in London, or Shipman a student in Newcastle.
Jeff.
I should have listened better but, he may have done his residency in London.
RE: Very excited - registration - Robert Leigh - 23-03-2020
Richard (Dick) Shipman was a student at Cambridge University in the early sixties. I lost track of him after that But I did hear that he had gone to Canada. I last saw him in 2006 when he visited UK. I think it was 1963 when we had a road rally, involving a timed double crossing of a ford which was frozen. Most of us completed the test without incident, but Dick went through the ice on his first crossing, so he was ice-breaking for the rest of the crossing and completeing the opening of a passage through the ice on the way back! His time was considerably slower than those who had gone before.
Robert Leigh
RE: Very excited - registration - jpsmit - 23-03-2020
(23-03-2020, 12:17 PM)Robert Leigh Wrote: Richard (Dick) Shipman was a student at Cambridge University in the early sixties. I lost track of him after that But I did hear that he had gone to Canada. I last saw him in 2006 when he visited UK. I think it was 1963 when we had a road rally, involving a timed double crossing of a ford which was frozen. Most of us completed the test without incident, but Dick went through the ice on his first crossing, so he was ice-breaking for the rest of the crossing and completeing the opening of a passage through the ice on the way back! His time was considerably slower than those who had gone before.That would be him - and I understand that he left the car in the care of Mr. Whyman when he (Dick) came to Canada. Dick gave strict instructions that the car be driven but not dismantled - when he returned to Britain he discovered that the car was in pieces so packed it in a crate and brought it back to Canada. Hence me buying it from what appears to be the second last owner.
Robert Leigh
RE: Very excited - registration - jpsmit - 04-04-2020
Thanks all for your sleuthing! I contacted the Federation of British Historic Vehicle Clubs Limited and within 24 hours had connected with Mr. Whyman. Here is what he wrote (with permission):
"Your email, forwarded by Emma at FBHVC, brought back memories of youthful enthusiasm – and utter stupidity – from half a century or more ago.
I never actually drove the car – it was a wreck when I collected it in December 1966, and it was still in pieces, albeit with rebuilt chassis and engine, about seven or eight years later when I helped Dick make a wooden packing crate for it in a pub car park so he could ship it to Canada.
I don’t have many photographs, but I’ll scan them (if I can find them) and jot down a few of my silly experiences for you sometime in the next few days."
and then:
"I was still at boarding school when Dick offered me the car on a ten-year loan towards the end of 1966 (he was moving to Canada but didn’t want to take his cars until he was properly settled). Four of us were going to travel to Nepal in a Bedford CA van for our gap year before starting university in autumn (beg your pardon – fall) 1967. I had fitted the van out with basic wooden storage lockers using the school carpentry workshop, so I had it with me at school for my last term.
I made a crude tow bar for the van, acquired a scaffolding pole and when I finally left school in December 1966, one of my friends and I drove 140 miles from school to collect the car from an open fronted, leaking shed. We then towed it on the end of the pole 270 miles north to my parents’ home. The recollection of my stupidity in doing that in such a crude way still rather haunts me now I look back, but at the time we didn’t think about what might go wrong – and nothing did. If it had, then perhaps I wouldn’t have been stupid enough to repeat the long distance tow four years later when I acquired the first car I actually owned from a garage under the walls of Windsor Castle near London. It was a 1954 Austin Healey 100/4, bought for £75 because it had been through a hedge and had a broken gearbox, but again my luck held.
Once I got MW 6137 home with various spares (not many, and all worn), it soon became obvious that there was no practical way of getting the car roadworthy without a complete rebuild. I started when I came back from the trek to Nepal (another youthful folly that now amazes me we survived with no harm, though we had plenty of mechanical mishaps) rebuilding the mechanical components with the body suspended from the garage roof. That part was straightforward and didn’t take too long – I think I had the chassis done and the re-bored engine running by October 1968 working only in university vacations. I started on the body work around Christmas 68, but I had absolutely no coachwork skills and no suitable equipment so my attempts to make a new floor pan were ludicrous failures and I rather lost heart because the other thing that I lacked as well as skill and equipment was money. I packed the car away in a neighbour’s garage thinking I’d get back to it when I’d earned some cash, but I never did.
Instead, enthused by fellow students in the university motor club (of which I was secretary) I bought the Austin-Healey and started rebuilding that. I’d learnt my lesson with the A7 and didn’t make any attempt to fix the bodywork that had been damaged by the excursion through the hedge, but I did rebuild both the engine and gearbox and got the car back on the road. I loved it! Unfortunately, when I came to renew the annual insurance after my first year, the premium had increased three-fold and the car had to go as I couldn’t afford it – the insurance clerk who had arranged my first year’s insurance had mistakenly calculated the first premium on the basis that I was born in 1938 rather than 1948.
I spent far too much time fiddling with cars when I was a student and left university without qualifying for anything, but my experience running the university motor club enabled me to get a job at the Vintage Sports Car Club. I started there in August 1972, working 300 miles south of where MW 6137 car was stored. I used to check on it when I visited my parents, but never did anything more to it.
Dick came back to England, I think in 1976, to arrange for the car to packed for export. I think he was probably rather upset by that I had dismantled the car but failed to re-assemble it, but he didn’t say that – he was, is, too much of a gentleman for that.
Since then, I have worked (very briefly) as a motoring journalist – another job that I didn’t have the skills for, but it was certainly fun trying modern Maseratis, Ferraris, Aston Martins et al as a complete contrast to the dozens of different pre-war cars that I had been privileged to drive while I was working for the VSCC. After the magazine, my wife and I set up as freelance club administrators and I was the founding secretary of FBHVC, serving in that role for two eight year periods in parallel with being secretary of the Aston Martin Owners Club and doing odd bits of work for several other clubs, and we’re still doing it in a low key sort of way – our only client now is the Mazda MX-5 Owners Club (I believe they are called Miatas in North America). "
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RE: Very excited - registration - jpsmit - 26-06-2020
(22-03-2020, 05:07 PM)JonE Wrote: So what actually IS the car body? And do you have a chassis number? The B- car number presently means no ledger details available, but they could have written it wrongly... if it were B1, they would exist...
Finally getting around to organizing the shed (see the he shed/ she shed conversation.)
Found these today - does this tell me anything? I presume the number on the head are the date of casting? In which case it isn't the original engine - This engine was apparently rebuilt in the 60's/ early 70's - and the transmission gears looked nice and clean and complete when I took the gearshift cover off.
thanks all!